Vincent Water Works

In January 1972 we moved our 10′ by 44′ house trailer from Virginia Mines near Hueytown to Woodstock in Tuscaloosa County, Alabama. From then until that summer, we shared a well that belonged to my aunt who owned Effoom’s Antiques next door.

Her wells were always awful. She lived at the bottom of a clay cliff that was constantly sliding down the hill and filling her wells with mud. I think she said she had to dig 2 wells because they kept filling up with mud. Her water was sometimes red in color.

Water pressure was awful because my house was uphill from hers. We immediately began searching for a better water supply. Mr. Perry, who owned the adjacent 40 acres, gave us permission to access an artesian spring on his property. The spring was only about a quarter mile from our house and, fortunately for us, slightly uphill from our house.

On June 15th, 1972, we dug a water line nearly 1,000 ft. with a ditch witch. The rest of the distance was dug by hand with the help of neighbors we hired as helpers. Perry had sold the property to Brown’s subdivision but Mr. Brown (Jackie Kline’s father-in-law) said we were welcome to access the spring until he sold the property the spring was on.

When we paid Alabama Power to connect the power for our trailer in August 1972, they also installed a meter near the well. The separate bill at that time was only $4 to $8 a month!

During this time I consulted a friend from church, Terry Largin, who was both a plumbing inspector for Jefferson County, Alabama and who served on the Greenpond Waterboard in Bibb County. He was later elected president of the waterboard. Terry was not only a master plumber, he was also trained in city water systems by the federal government and new the process of procuring and opening wells for city water.

I purchased two 36 in. well curbings from Barry George’s father and hauled them back home in my Uncle John’s little Datsun pickup (forerunner of Nissan). They weighed 1,500 lbs and the little truck was almost mashed flat but handled the load well. I dropped them off where Terry could roll them into place.

He manually dug out around the artesian well and dropped the first well curbing in place. It immediately sunk deep in the mud so we were fortunate to have a second curbing to place on top of it. He dug out the mud inside the first curbing as best he could but said the artesian spring kept filling it up so fast he couldn’t keep all the water pumped out enough to dig much.

Terry said his gas powered water pump threw water out an inch and a half discharge 7 or 8 feet before the stream fell to the earth. We don’t know how much water that was exactly but it was something akin to a fire hose. Terry estimated that the well was providing several hundred gallons of water an hour. As a test, he ran his pump for 24 hours and the water level never dropped more than a couple of feet.

To finish, he connected our water line and pump a little above ground level and knocked a hole in the well curbing closer to the top to let the let water out and prevent it from flowing over the top of the curbing. The spring never slowed and my aunt and I were never without water. The only problem we had was having to pump the water so far. It caused water pressure at our house to be low.

When the George’s moved in next door, they asked if they could have access to our water source. We gave permission and they connected the first of 3 houses on our little community water system. To help with water pressure, we added a second pump closer to the houses.

As more neighbors moved in, they asked for water access. We were really getting concerned about water pressure until the neighbor at the top of the hill said he had a 450 gallon tank. That’s where the second pump was installed. With his big tank at the top of the hill and the second pump we had better water pressure than folks in town.

No one ever asked us for permission to connect after that. It wasn’t until later that we found out the neighbor at the top of the hill had let others connect to his line (which was connected to Barry’s, which was connected to ours and Aunt Evelyn’s). Before we knew it, there were 6 homes supplied with all the water you could want, all at a total cost of less than $10 a month. Our neighbor at the top of the hill even paid the bill so the rest of us had free water.

I wish it could have lasted. It was a wonderful resource for us all but the well property belonged to a developer who needed to finish his housing development. Fortunately, that’s about the time the federal government approved a new well for the Woodstock / Greenpond communities.

We switched over to a public water system on June 25th, 1977. The little spring continues to run to this day as far as I know. No one can recall a time when it ever ran dry.

Bessemer Branch Presidents – Bessemer Alabama Stake

L to R: Willard Langston, Samuel Jahue Vining, Johnnie Frank Densmore, John Archie Acker, Samuel Fletcher, David LeGrand Sanders.

This is a photo of the branch presidents and early bishops of the Bessemer Branch, Birmingham Alabama District, Alabama Florida Mission. The photo was taken about 1977 in the chapel of the Bessemer Stake Center. I knew each of the men in this photo personally and closely. I served with each of them in various capacities all except brother Vining who I also knew well and often visited at his home in McCalla, Alabama.

Left to Right, they are: Willard Langston, Samuel Jahue Vining, Johnnie Frank Densmore, John Archie Acker, Samuel Fletcher, David LeGrand Sanders.

My wife and I joined the church in Feb. 1969 in Kokomo, Indiana Branch, Indianapolis Indiana Stake. I was in the military (USAF) during the Vietnam War. In February 1970 I was transferred from Grissom AFB in Indiana to Castle AFB in California. While there, my wife and I were sealed in the Oakland Temple.

Upon my discharge, I moved back home to Alabama where my wife and I were members of the Bessemer Branch, Birmingham District, which had been part of the Southern States Mission. Soon as the Alabama Florida Mission was formed with Elder Hartman Rector, Jr. (1924-2018) of the First Council of Seventy as mission president, the Birmingham District became part of that mission.

Elder Rector’s Executive Secretary was Richard Raymond Riley (1931-1987), a member of the Bessemer Branch so we saw Elder Rector often. Since my wife and I were one of the few couples in the district who had been sealed in the temple, I was soon asked to serve in a leadership capacity. My first calling was as home teaching companion to Brother Willard Langston (1913-1995), on the extreme left in the photo. He grew close to my wife’s family who almost all joined the church within the next several years.

The Bessemer Branch already had a long history when we first arrived there in 1970. It began as an unorganized Sunday School in the home of Wesley and Dovie Acker Brackner near McAdory, Jefferson County, Alabama a few miles south of Bessemer. The first building was built and donated to the church by Samuel Jahue Vining (1888-1979) who is 2nd from the left in the photo. It was called the McCalla Branch. Brother Sam Vining also became the first branch president.

In the late 1950s, the church sold the McCalla Branch building and built a new “Kent” three-phase church building on Briarwood Drive adjacent to U.S. Highway 11 which is also 9th Ave. in Bessemer, Jefferson County, Alabama. Consequently, the name of the unit was changed to the Bessemer Branch but was still part of the Birmingham District. This first phase building held sacrament meetings in what later became the Primary Room. The Relief Society Sisters were pleased to brag that they had roofed that part of the building when the building was being built about 1957.

About 1973 I bought land in the then unincorporated community of Woodstock which straddles both Bibb County and Tuscaloosa County, Alabama. I needed help constructing a home so I contracted with Leroy Bush (1923-2009) and Johnnie Frank Densmore (1932-1984), 3rd from left in the photo. They dug and poured the footing for the foundation of my home on U.S. Highway 11 in Woodstock.

Under President John Acker, I was called as the first person in the Bessemer Branch to serve as a seminary teacher which was then held on Wednesday evenings prior to YM-YW MIA (youth) meetings. About 1972 or 1973 I was called as 2nd counselor to John Archie Acker (1917-1993) in the Bessemer Branch Presidency. John is 4th from the left in the photo.

The Birmingham District President, Fred M. Washburn, reorganized the Bessemer Branch Presidency about 1974 and I was called as Pres. Acker’s first counselor. Brother John Acker was an electrical contractor and general contractor. He built the 2nd phase of our building (including the chapel). Afterward in the late 1970s, he retired and moved to the Washington D.C. area to serve as a leader in the newly constructed Washington Temple. Still later, he was called as counselor in the first temple presidency to serve over the newly built Atlanta Georgia Temple in the mid-1980s.

When John Acker was released, Samuel G. Fletcher, fifth from left in the photo, was called as branch president of the Bessemer Branch. Dr. Fletcher, CCC-SLP Aud., was president of the Speech and Hearing Association of Alabama, 1973-1975. He was also a famous inventor of speech therapy devices. I served as his first counselor in the branch presidency about this same time. Upon my release I was called as his executive secretary, the first person to serve as an executive secretary in the Bessemer Branch. President Fletcher later became president of the Bessemer Alabama Stake.

Upon his release, David LeGrand Sanders was called to lead Bessemer. About this time Birmingham District was organized into the newly formed Birmingham Stake and Bessemer became a ward with David Sanders serving as its first bishop. I served as David Sanders executive secretary. He is last on the extreme right in the photo of the Bessemer Bishops. Bishop Sanders was a superintendent of construction for Dunn Construction. He built much of the third phase of the Bessemer Ward.

It should be noted that many of the leaders in the Bessemer Branch or Ward from the late 1950s until near the late 1970s were highly skilled in construction work. Bessemer had general contractors, electrical contractors and master electricians, plumbing contractors, master plumbers and one brother who was a county plumbing inspector, master carpenters, and other highly skilled tradesmen. Many of these brethren served in bishoprics and branch presidencies. One of the won the bid as general contractor of a building phase. Others won a bid for such things as concrete, plumbing, and electrical work. Bishop Sanders and Leroy Bush worked nearly 24 hours straight finishing the concrete floor under the basketball court. He later did the concrete finish work for my basement for the home I built in Woodstock, AL where my eight children grew up.

My children, Leroy Bush’s children, John Acker’s children, and David Sander’s children later all grew up to become leaders in the Bessemer Ward, some as members of the the bishopric or stake presidency. While many of these were descendants of the six men in this photo, there were other families involved, many of whom were related by birth or marriage. Therefore, this photo conjures many memories for those of us who served in various leadership positions for several decades in the Southern Stakes or Alabama Florida Mission, the Birmingham District and Stake, and the McCalla or Bessemer Branch or Ward.

~written 31 October 2019 by Ron Vincent~

Rocks & Minerals

Rocks and Minerals
Book: Rocks and Minerals

Here’s a little story I’ve never told my children.  I’m not sure I understood all of it myself until today when I realized where it all started.  I’ve always loved rocks and gemstones.  Today I realized I probably first became fascinated with them, actually studying them, the summer of 1956.  My father took us to Mexico City, Mexico that year.  It was the first of seven vacation trips I made with my mom and dad there before my 19th birthday.  And if you’re doing the numbers in your head right now, your right.  I was very young on that first trip.

Later when I became a teen and learned to investigate the Junior High School Library on my own, I discovered a little book there called Rocks and Minerals.  I would be an old man before I actually owned a copy of the book.  As a teen, all I could do was check it out of the school library for a few days.  I loved the thing and studied it from cover-to-cover.

Mexican Ashtray
Mexican Ashtray

The reason that first trip to Mexico was important is that’s where I first saw some of the beautiful artwork that could be made from stones.  Back then you could buy oodles of trinkets carved from Onyx Stone on the cheap.  Dad bought this huge carved onyx ashtray that was 10 or 12 inches across and must have weighed 8 lbs.  For years my parents kept the gaudy thing on a living room table.  At my young age I thought it was a work of art.

Later at my first opportunity, I talked my mother into buying me one of those flat white boxes of stones native to some state we were visiting.  Maybe you’ve seen them.  They look like a thin, little box that might hold a small notebook or something.  Inside there was a card onto which were glued 20 or 30 simple rocks with their names written below each.

That gave me a real sample of each type rock on the card.  I had such exotic minerals as limonite, hematite which the Rocks and Minerals book told me were types or iron ore.  My dad worked at U.S. Steel in Birmingham, AL.  He knew all about iron ore.  I pestered him to tell me what he knew.  I just knew I wanted to be a geologist when I grew up.

I’m not the only one in the family who was interested in rocks.  My dad’s brother built a house out of rocks.  He was kind of a rock hound and collected Quartz crystals and such that he found laying on the ground.  After he retired, he bought a lapidary, polished and cut rounded stones, and made belt buckles out of them.

As young kids my neighbors and I would collect fossils in the slate and sandstone bedrock by the railroad near our home.  They had cut through the rocks to make a level railroad “bed.”  This made for easy diggings in the ancient rock.  When I discovered there were all sorts of dinosaurs that lived back in ancient times I just knew I wanted to be a paleontologist when I grew up.

That was before I realized there were other ancient things one could learn from digging in the soil, things like arrow heads.  My cousin had a huge collection.  Studying them was really fascinating.  I found out I could learn more by checking out another book from the school library.  I just knew I wanted to be an archaeologist when I grew up.

But that’s the study of things.  What about the study of the people who made them.  My dad had already introduced me to genealogy and I was really interested by the time I was 14.  Family records only go back a few hundred years, though.  What about the people who lived in earlier times.  Where did they live first?  From there, when and where did they move?  How did they live?  I just knew I wanted to be anthropologist when I grew up.

But that was before I learned about electronics and I just knew I wanted to be an electronics tech when I grew up.  I almost got the chance, too, when the Vietnam War came along and put a halt to all my other dreams including my dream of being married to a special someone.

I enlisted in the USAF, studied electronics, and eventually spent a work career with an AT&T company.  While there, I held all sorts of jobs but never forgot my first interests in rocks, minerals, fossils, and such.  While I was working as a supply person for the phone company, a man with Joy Manufacturing happened by my storeroom one day.

In case you don’t know, Joy makes those huge machines you see around mining operations.  This man worked with geologists all day every day.  When were began talking about rocks I told him about my days collecting rocks, semi-precious gems, and fossils.  He quickly told me some of the beauties the geologists find in deep mines.  The next day he brought me a huge fern leaf fossil that was maybe 10 inches long and a large stone covered with tiny Quartz crystals.

I can’t recall what happened to all the minerals collections I had in boxes.  I’m sure I gave them away.  I have one grandchild who said she loved rocks and minerals.  She got the fossil, the Quartz, and a rock with a seam of Turquoise in it.  I think I also gave her a 2-1/2 karat Amethyst that I bought in Mexico for around 5 pesos (it had a large flaw).   I kept the Rocks & Minerals book I bought, though.  It reminds me of how much I loved stones when I was a kid.

What of the “careers” I “gave up”?  Well, they required a lot more education than I was able to get along the way and they didn’t pay well.  I never regretted not pursuing them although I did regret not getting the higher education.  Instead, I studied computer science in college and got a career in a data center.  When I retired I ended up supervising a volunteer group that included 3 guys who had Ph.D.’s in Chemistry so I guess I chose the right career.

As for my kids, they were never that interested in rocks and minerals.  Only a couple of granddaughters were interested.  I bought some of them bags of polished rocks when I got the chance. Maybe one day they’ll be able to share this story with their grandchildren and let them know who in their family was first interested in stones.

Words We’ve Heard

Doris Vincents crosstitch - one of her favorite phrases

This is a Crosstitch my mother had hanging on her wall.  It says, “I feel more like I do now than I did when I got here”, one of her favorite sayings.  We grow up with phrases we’ve heard, words or phrases — sayings we read, quotes, you name it.   What about “I THINK – THEREFORE, I AM.”

Philosopher Rene’ Descartes (Rin-NAY Day-CART) in his 1637 “Discourse on the Method of Rightly Conducting Reason, Part IV” said “Cogito, Ergo Sum” (I think, therefore I am). You see, philosophers have this notion that it’s fruitful to think totally weird ideas like, “Do we really exist or is this all a dream?” Descartes’s point is that we, the human race, are capable of thought. If we can think, we have minds so we must indeed exist.

Ok, ok, too deep, I know.  So here’s a joke my brother Rick told me.  He says a doorbell rings, a guy opens his door to find a girl scout selling cookies.  He asks, “How much?”  She tells him.  He fumbles in his pocket for the money then very slowly says, “I     don’t     think …”    Poof!  He disappears!

I guess you’d have to be a philosopher to get it.

I like saying my son came up with. Actually a lot of people came up with it but I’ll credit him with it because he didn’t know at the time that others had same something similar. He said, “Good judgement comes from experience. And experience — well, that comes from bad judgement.” I like that one.

But where do the weird little words or phrases we learned from our parents come from? Some we know. My parents always used the French phrase “beau coup” meaning a lot or an abundance. It’s originally French “biau cop” according to the dictionary which can me “a beautiful helping” of soup or beverage. Why French? Sometimes I wonder if it isn’t from our French ancestors on my dad’s mother’s side. Her maiden name was “Seay.” Originally “DeSaye”, her ancestors were French Huegonots who came to America seeking religious liberty.

I guess one of the strangest things I remember hearing when we were growing up is my dad would always say, “It went through him like a dose of Croton Oil.

I looked that up several years ago but found nothing so I gave up searching for it. Times have changed. Now we have Wikipedia. I looked up Croton Oil and there it was! Sure enough, it says, “Small doses taken internally cause diarrhea.” That’s what I figured. But where did my dad come up with that. Was it something he heard his parents say? Something he read? Or was it a popular phrase used in his generation?

I read what Wikipedia said about its history. Croton Oil is mentioned in a Steinbeck novel. Dad was an avid reader. He may have seen it there but one thing really caught my eye. During WWII, the U.S. Navy mixed Croton Oil with the alcohol fuel used to power torpedos to keep sailors from drinking it. I remember dad mentioned that torpedos were powered by alcohol. He was in the Navy in WWII and served in both the Atlantic and Pacific theaters. I’m pretty sure that’s where he became familiar with Croton Oil when his fellow sailors got sick from it. Problem solved!

So what words or phrases did you grow up with? Do you know where they originated? Are they part of your family’s heritage? Like the song says, “You never can tell.”

50 Years of Genealogy

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On this Christmas Day, December 25th, 2017, my thoughts are turned to family research for some reason. I’m not sure why. Perhaps it’s because genealogy research has occupied my spare thoughts for almost 50 years.

I’ve actually been interested in my family’s pedigree much longer, ever since my childhood, when my father would show us his family pedigree written on translucent drafting vellum in India Ink. He began documenting his ancestry in his early 20s same as I did.

My dad got his college education taking night classes with benefits from the G.I. Bill. In 1949 he took a class in drafting. The school later became known as the University of Alabama in Birmingham where my son and I also went to school. CLICK HERE to see an image of my father’s 68-year-old pedigree which he created while attending college.

Although my father began researching our family’s pedigree over 70 years ago he wasn’t the first to do so. He copied research from two relatives, the Kelly sisters, cousins of his parents. Marion and Maud McLure Kelly were researching our Vincent, Pace, and other family lines over 100 years ago. Maud was famous for being the first woman to practice law in the state of Alabama but she was equally famous in genealogical circles for writing numerous research papers on some of our ancestral lines.

Marion was first to begin documenting our Vincent family research. Maud did a lot of traveling, researching our Vincent ancestors. She clarified research on our Pace line. Years before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock on 1620, our ancestor Richard Pace was living near Jamestown, Virginia. It’s kind of cool being descended from someone who may have known John Smith and Pocahontas.

But what about our other ancestors with other surnames. The number of surnames in everyone’s family doubles with each generation. Your parents were born with two different surnames, your grandparents with 4, your great-grandparents with 8.

You may know your mother’s maiden name but do you know her grandmother’s maiden name? There’s been lots of family research done on my dad’s side but not on my mom’s side of the family. From 1970 to 1990 I spent most of my research time looking into my mother’s ancestry. Now I know the surnames of my 8 great-grandparents. They are:
• Vincent
• Finch
• Seay
• Pace
• Warren
• Farmer
• Blake
• Smith

I’m not so sure about the surnames of their parents. That’s where we start running into what genealogists call a “brick wall.” To sort things out, I’m starting a new project by copying cousin Maud’s idea. 100 years ago Maud Kelly started documenting her family research in a legal journal. It looks like an old abandoned log book her father, also a lawyer, may have used.

I can just see young Maud asking her dad,
“Father, do you have a book I can use to record my genealogy research?”
“Sure, daughter, use this old book. I rarely use it anymore.”

And so it began. Maud’s notes in the margins, headers, coverleaf, etc. show her entries were organized almost from the beginning. She wrote the surname at the top. My own research notes from 1970 to 1988 were rather random. In 1988 I began a new research book which I used until 1995. In it, I began writing the date of each research effort. I tried to enter a one-line description and put the current date at the top of each entry. On the inside front and back covers I recorded an index of the pages. That research log is by far the easiest to thumb through.

Over the years since then, computers, the internet, email, texting, and social media have greatly modernized communications. Writing things down (or printing them) in print form is still critically important for personal archives but these tools are wonderful for quickly documenting ongoing efforts.

How should they be organized? Why by surname, of course! So I’m entering a new era of documenting my research. With any luck I’ll live long enough to see it completed. I’ll be trying to compile my half century of written and electronic correspondence and research discoveries on the internet. For my platform, I’m choosing one of my web domains, MyKinFolks.org, that I’ve had for a few years now.

Creating and maintaining websites is so cool. The HTML code used is pretty simple to create. Uploading is kind of expensive but a good way to archive stuff in addition to printed form. Long after I’m gone, people should still be able to read and view my web pages from any web browser. To preserve the pages, I only need to copy them to a CD. Anyone with a computer can view them. They don’t need the internet.

I began documenting my ancestry online in the late 1980s with FamilySearch.org’s Ancestral File, their online companion to Personal Ancestral File (PAF). 10 years later I was inspired by Sheridan Vincent’s website and I created my first website in 1998. Another 10 years, in 2007, I purchased my first domain, vincentfam.net. A year later, VincentsFamily.org (with an “s”) followed, then VincentFamily.org (no “s”) became available. I purchased it and MyKinFolks.org in 2012.

I’ve learned a lot from other researchers working with VincentFamily.org. I’ll continue to do so. Other family lines have since heated up. A few evenings ago I received a phone call from a distant cousin about my research. I got frustrated talking to her because I couldn’t locate all the papers and books and correspondence needed. I kept having to apologize.

My years of research are in too many formats. The essential parts need a common platform. I’ll share research on other lines by starting my Smith research at MyKinFolks.org. That line has really gotten hot over the past few years. It will be fun sharing what I know online with all the other Smith researchers.

So that’s it in a nutshell. That’s gonna be one of my projects for 2018. Wish me luck and stay tuned.

John Vincent (1787-1871)

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There are several family names repeated in my father’s family. My grandfather, D. Oakley Vincent named a son Oakley Seay Vincent, who named one of his son’s, Oakley Glynn Vincent, who named one of his sons, Oakley. My daughter is considering naming her next son Oakley.

My great-grandfather’s name was Aaron. We gave our 2nd oldest son that as a middle name. But the most common repeated name in our family is John. My oldest son gave his only son the name of John.

We named our oldest son, John, after two John’s in our family – my Aunt Evelyn’s husband, John Farris, and my 2nd-great-grandfather, John Vincent who was named after his grandfather, John, who was already 3rd in a line of “Johns.” Starting with my grandson, that makes over half the past 11 generations were named “John”:

1. my grandson John D. Vincent
2. my son, John L. Vincent
3. me, Ron Vincent
4. “Hap” Vincent (d.1993)
(his name was Wilburn but no one called him that)
5. Oakley Vincent (d.1955)
6. Aaron Vincent (d.1901)
7. John Vincent (d.1871)
8. Aaron Vinson (d.1791)
9. John Vinson (d.1787)
10. John Vinson (d.1727)
11. John Vincent (d.1698)

It’s my 2nd-great-grandfather, John (1787-1871) who just totally fascinates me. He lived an amazing life. Let me tell you about it.

He was born the year his grandfather and namesake died, the year the U.S. Constitution was written that created the United States of America. America was still a group of “former” colonies at the time. My brothers and I have often commented how odd it is that we can go back only 4 generations in our family history and we’re in Colonial America. It’s because there are far more than the usual 20 or 25 years between our generations. For example, my grandfather was nearly 50 when my dad was born.

John’s early life was sad by anyone’s standards. There must have been some sort of plague or illness going around in 1791 because his father and grandmother both died that year. His mother had died two years earlier leaving him an orphan by the time he was only 4 years old.

John had inherited land so the courts appointed a guardian for him until he was of age to choose what he wanted to do with his inheritance. I’m guessing he was a problem child. According to court records, he was bounced from one home to another to another. They were all pretty much his relatives. He was the youngest of 8 children and his sisters’ husbands were often appointed as guardians.

There’s a bit of U.S. History that needs to be inserted here to grasp the situation. Before John was grown, the U.S. government had to attend to all the dealings the British had formerly attended to. One transaction was land purchased from the Creek Indians along the Georgia-South Carolina border. The Brits had purchased the land from the Indians but never got to settle it because of our war with them, the American Revolution, which we started with the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, 1776.

After the war, the Americans were anxious to get some white folks settled on the land to keep the British or Spanish Florida from flanking Savannah on Georgia’s coast. One of the first things they did was establish forts between the border of the United States and Creek Indian Territory. At that time, the western border of Georgia was the Ocmulgee River and the fort established there in 1806 was Ft. Benjamin Hawkins about an hour north of where we live. Linda and I visited the fort for my birthday this year.

Next, the U.S. government wanted to establish settlers on the newly opened land in Georgia. What’s the quickest way to settle land? Why, give it away, of course! That’s where the land lotteries came into play. Problem is, there were a lot of crooks who wanted to cash in on the bounty. Some guys started selling land that didn’t even belong to them and was still occupied by the Indians. Ouch!

Still, a lot of my folks decided this new state of Georgia was the place to live and moved from their native Johnston County in North Carolina across South Carolina and the Savannah River to Lincoln County, Georgia founded in 1796. That’s where John lived or moved to sometime after he reached the legal age of 21 in 1808. I’m guessing one of the first things he did as an adult was to change the spelling of his surname from “Vinson” back to “Vincent” which was the original spelling his 2nd-great-grandfather used until they changed it to “Vinson” to avoid being accused of being British sympathizers. That’s another story in itself.

3 years later John needed money and he still had his inheritance. According to Johnston County deeds for 1811, “John Vinson of the County of Lincoln and State of Georgia sold land that he owned in the County of Johnston [North Carolina].” He was 24 years old and he was marrying the lovely Nicey Hawes, daughter of Isaac Hawes of Lincoln County, Georgia.

These were eventful years for the U.S. England had signed a treaty that ended our war for independence in 1783 but they had never officially recognized the United States as a country. They still thought of us as their colonies. They kidnapped our sailors by the thousands to serve in the British Navy and bribed Native Americans to harass us at home. These and other offenses prompted the U.S. to once again declare war with the British – the War of 1812. You may remember that was the war when the Star Spangled Banner was written. It was also the war where the Brits burned the White House to the ground.

Well, there was another “war” going on at the same time. Not until modern times has this “other” war been associated with the War of 1812 but it was. It was the Creek Indian War. The British figured they’d keep the southernmost states busy fighting the Indians so they paid the Spanish to furnish rifles and ammo to the Creek Indians. The Lower Creeks declared war on the Americans and slaughtered 400 men, women, and children at Ft. Mims in south Alabama. Other Americans were attacked in Alabama and Georgia.

If you’re old enough, you may remember the “Ballad of Davy Crockett”, coonskin caps, and the Disney movie starring Fess Parker. I do. Some of you who are younger may recall the lyrics to “The Battle of New Orleans” that goes like this: “In 1814 we took a little trip, along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississipp.” Yeah! That war.

On October 4th, 1813 at Lincolnton, in Lincoln County, Georgia, John Vincent enlisted for 5 months in the 43rd Regiment of the U.S. Infantry. A Lt. W.W. Norman signed him up and recorded that he was a 25-year-old farmer with gray eyes and brown hair who was 5 ft. 8-1/2 inches tall. He was discharged from the 6th Military District on April 30th, 1814. As far as we know no one in his regiment ever saw any action. Andrew Jackson’s forces reached them first and drove the “Red Stick” Creeks into Spanish Florida.

After returning from the war, John probably took up farming but later became a Methodist Episcopal minister. He and Nicey began a large family. Their first 4 kids were: (#1) Pendleton (or Pennington) born in 1812, (#2) John, named after his grandfather, born in 1813, (#3) Isaac, named after Nicey’s father, born in 1815, and (#4) Phoebe born in 1817. Phoebe, by the way, was a popular name among the Africans. African slaves sometimes named their children for the day of the week on which they were born, a common practice of their ancestors. “Phibbi” in West African meant “Friday.” Americans simply Anglicized the name into “Phoebe” for the Greek goddess of the moon. I remember how my Aunt Evelyn spoke fondly of her “Aunt Febby” who was her mammy when she was a child.

About 2 years after Phoebe was born, Nicey had a little boy they named Peyton, their 5th child. An unfortunate accident occurred where baby Peyton was scalded to death. A year later, Nicey had another little boy they also named (#6) Peyton. It wasn’t uncommon back then to reuse a name after a child died. Four more children followed: (#7) Charlotte who they nicknamed “Puss”, (#8) Nancy Caroline, (#9) Mary Anne, and (#10) Wilbourn.

Wilbourn Vincent (b. 5 Feb. 1827) was their last child to be born in Lincoln County, Georgia. He was killed at the age of 25 when a large limb fell off a tree. He and another man were riding double on a horse at the time. The other man leaned backward and missed the limb. Unfortunately, Wilbourn leaned forward and received the full blow. My father and Aunt Evelyn used to tell me the story of how the falling limb killed Wilbourn and broke the back of the horse they were riding. Dad was named “Wilburn” after his father’s uncle and heard the story of his death when my father was growing up.

John and Nicey went on to have 16 children altogether. Some had names that appear unusual to us today but were more common 180 years ago. They were: (#11) Rhuey Vincent, (#12) Louisiana America Vincent (known as “America”), (#13) Elizabeth Emily Vincent, (#14) Aaron Vincent (my great-grandfather), (#15) Louisa Catherine Vincent, and (#16) Euzebia Eunice Vincent who was named after her mother, Nicey. As far as we know, these last kids were all born in Alabama.

After the War of 1812, many of the Indians living in the south were considered a menace to whites. Sentiment in Congress, with influence from evil men who wanted to sell land belonging to Native Americans, led to the Indian Removal Act and their eventual expulsion in the late 1830s. The newly vacated lands were attractive to Georgians and John moved his family along the Federal Road through Milledgeville, Georgia to Wetumpka, Alabama where they settled briefly before moving on to Talladega County, their final resting place.

In the decades that followed, some of the John and Nicey’s descendants moved back to Georgia. Some moved to other parts of Alabama. Some moved to Texas after it joined the U.S. But some, including my grandfather and great-grandfather remained near Talladega County, Alabama for 3 generations before moving elsewhere. That’s where Aaron’s son, my great-grandfather lived and bought nearly 600 acres of land after he returned unharmed from the Civil War. That’s near where his next younger sister, Louisa Catherine Vincent lived when she married Francis Marion Bledsoe. Their daughter, Leona, married Judge Richard Bussey Kelly. Two of the Kelly’s daughters, Maud and Marion, became the family historians over 100 years ago when they first began doing family research.

It was Maud Kelly who donated what’s called the “Bledsoe-Kelly Collection” to Samford University in Birmingham that contains our Vincent Family history from the late 1600s until Maud’s death over 40 years ago. It was Maud, her brother Senator Richard Kelly, and my grandparents, Oakley and Oma Vincent, who located John Vincent’s grave in 1942 and put his tombstone there.In her letter to her brother Richard dated Tuesday, Nov. 17, 1942, Maud wrote:

Dear Dick:-
     Oma Vincent, Cousin Oakley’s wife, has been here to-day, and had lunch with me. We have set next Tuesday, Nov. 24th, for us to go find “Grandpa” Vincent’s grave. She and Cousin Oakley will go from Calera either by bus or train.

The following day she wrote:

Dear Dick,
     Since writing to you yesterday afternoon, about our coming over next Tuesday to find “Grandpa” John Vincent’s grave, it has occurred to me that if the tombstone could be ready, we could just put it up on the same trip and then it would be done, forever and ever. I’d like so much to know that it is finished.
      I enclose the inscription which I’d like put on it. I think all of this is important. We could take along the cement and tools and just put it up.
      I’ll bring a roll of films, and you have my kodak out and ready so we can take pictures also.
Anything else?

Rev John Vincent
died May 13 1871
aged 84
A soldier in the
Indian War 1813

At the top of this blog post is one of the photos Maud took that day with her little Kodak Brownie Camera. That’s most likely her brother Richard holding the shovel.

My dad took me to visit Maud Kelly when I was a teen. Later, he took me to visit the grave of John Vincent. We visited his grave one last time in 1990 just 2-1/2 years before dad died. On June 29, 2013, I took my 3 sons and my grandson John Devin Vincent to visit John Vincent’s grave. It was their first time ever to see the grave. We got a photo of the marker. I remembered how Maud and her brother Richard put it there the day my grandfather showed her where the grave was. I wrote a funny story about it on my other blog here:
http://blog.ronv.net/2016/11/famlee-histree/

There’s a lot more to John Vincent’s story but I won’t tell it here. Some of his story has yet to be researched but we have a lot. You can read what we have and see some of the original documents on our family history website at:
http://vincentfamily.org/Ancestors/07_John_Vincent_%281787-1871%29/index.htm

~ Ron.V

Our Whole Life in a Nutshell

WHERE THEY LIVED
The addresses listed for Hap and Doris on their application for a marriage license is reversed (<– CLICK LINK and they’re highlighted in blue and pink).  Apparently the clerk at the Probate Judge’s office misunderstood them and wrote down the address where dad lived under mother’s name and the address where mother lived under my dad’s.

Mother was the daughter of Oney Blake Warren who died in 1942 at the age of 37.  Oney had 2 daughters, my mother Doris and her sister Mildred whom everyone called “Tincy.”

Oney died at he home, 1920 3rd Ave. in Irondale, AL which is where her daughter Tincy continued to live after her death.  See Oney’s death certificate for the address highlighted in yellow in two places, top and bottom.  You can click on it to enlarge it.

That’s where my mother lived when she married my father 15 Oct 1940.  She gave her date of birth as 25 Jun 1923.  Her actual date of birth was the same day in 1924 but they felt it would look better if dad was marrying a 17-year-old rather than someone who just turned 16 less than four months prior.  It didn’t matter.  Oney signed below giving her permission which is all that’s needed for a 16-year-old in Alabama.

What about dad’s address? It’s on the application for a marriage license listed below mother’s name as 2017 3rd Ave in Irondale.  That’s where he moved to work at U.S. Steel which, at the time was called T.C.I. (Tennessee Coal and Iron, Co.).  Who lived at 2017 3rd Ave in 1941?

The 1940 Census shows the head of house at that address is Celia Bass, a widow (click the link then click photo to enlarge).  It shows she was employed as a seamstress at a garment factory and she had been living there at least since 1935.  Living there also was her daughter, Billie Clyde, her sister Evelyn, and John D. Farris, brother-in-law.  Where did they live in 1935?  John lived in Fairfield in 1935 but Evelyn says that in 1935 she lived in rural Shelby County, Alabama.  That’s where her parents lived and where my father graduated high school in 1937.  They lived in two different locations there.  The last one was in Calera where Evelyn and Celia’s father got his boys to help him build a log house.

That means that Evelyn and John weren’t married then.  Since Evelyn says she married Louis Jenkins about 1931 (she left him because he was abusive), it means she didn’t start dating John until sometime between 1935 and 1940.  We didn’t know that.  Hap doesn’t show up in at Celia’s house in 1940.  It means he didn’t start living with her until about the time he began dating my mother which was the day of her 16th birthday, 25 Jun 1940.

THEY ALL LIVED TOGETHER
Dad moved in with Evelyn and John who, at the time was living with Celia.  It wasn’t too long before they all moved out and Celia moved somewhere else.  Celia ended up living on 3rd Ave West in Birmingham a few years later.  Evelyn and John moved to “Browntown” a community near Hueytown adjacent to the steel mill where Hap and John worked.  Haps twin brother, Doot, and their baby brother, Nat, also got jobs at the Steel Mill.  They all moved in with John and Evelyn in Browntown.

The men worked all different shifts.  Doris and Evelyn had to cook and wash clothes for them all the time even though Doris had morning sickness from being pregnant with my brother Rick.  Fortunately, they were able to move out and into a small apartment for a while.  Rick was born 9 Oct 1941.  Doris’s mother, Oney, died 14 months later of acute appendicitis after seeing her first grandchild come into the world.

SEPARATE HOMES
On 3rd Ave N., Celia became very close friends with another lady who lived in the same apartment building, Ann Lotsgaselle.  She was a German lady who became “Aunt Ann” to us kids.

Doot bought a home in a post-WWII housing development called “Belview Heights.”  The address was 2313 20th St. in Ensley.  In 1949, Hap bought 2 acres on Hardy Rd. in Hueytown where he and Doris, John and Evelyn once again lived together with 3 little boys, Rick, Larry, and Ronnie.  They bought two old WWII surplus hospital tents, built a wooden floor to put them on and dug for a privy (outhouse) out back.  It was home for the next year to 18 months while Hap built a house next door.  I was too young to use the outhouse so they made me “go” on a freezing cold metal “potty” that looked like a large, round white enameled metal coffee cup with a red painted ring around the rim.  It was just the right size for my baby bottom.  I slept on a WWII surplus army cot and loved it.  Still have memories of it.

EVELYN’S BABY “HAP”
Doris got tired of living with Evelyn who was less than kind to her.  After all, Doris took Evelyn’s baby brother away from her, didn’t she?  Evelyn was not quite 6 years old when the twins Hap and Doot were born 28 Jul 1919 to her mother, Oma.  Oma was already losing one sickly child, Houston, who died about 1920.  Another, Andrew Gay (Sam) got hit in the head by a train which knocked a chunk out of his skull.  She had more than she could bear dealing with twins even though she had help from her black domestic, “Aunt” Febby, who was the kids Mammy.

So Oma handed Hap to Evelyn and said, “Here. This one’s yours!”  And so it was.  Although she hadn’t yet started grade school, Evelyn learned to bottle feed the baby, change dirty diapers, whatever a mother had to do.  Hap became “her” baby — literally.  Who could blame her for Doris “taking her baby away from her”?

DORIS’S NEW HOME
Doris had enough of that kind of treatment.  After dad got the sub-floor installed and the little house on Hardy Rd. blacked in and with windows, mother moved the furniture into it one day while dad was at work.  I remember him coming home and asking what was going on.  I don’t remember exactly what was said.  I was only 4 at the time.  But I remember the fuss and daddy giving in.  He finished the house with us living in it.  Click Here for a brief, printable story of the house with photos.

Nat moved into a house built across the street for a time then moved elsewhere.  John and Evelyn stayed on Hap’s property for another 6 or 7 years.  They built a house there where the old tent had been but Uncle John lost his job at the Nail Mill and Evelyn’s antique business had grown so much it would no longer fit in her living room.  They had to move out.

DEATH IN THE FAMILY (and move to Woodstock)
Only a year or two before they moved, Oakley wasn’t doing well in an old folks home.  Evelyn moved him into her home the last few months of his life.  In 1955 within 2 weeks of each other, both Evelyn’s parents Oakley and Oma Seay Vincent, died.

Evelyn rented a store in Caffee Jct. on U.S. Highway 11 (which, at the time was a two-lane) sometime in the mid-1950s.  In the late 1950s the state widened Hwy 11 into a 4-lane, a local store was moved as a result, the owners wanted to sell, and Evelyn wanted to buy.  John and Evelyn moved Effoom’s Antiques to Woodstock near the intersection of U.S. 11 and Ala. Hwy 5 just before you get to Holiday Raceway.

Rick, Larry, and Ron grew up on Hardy Rd. next door to a man who couldn’t afford to continue paying the house note on his G.I. Bill loan.  He sold to H.H. (Coot) Little who moved next door to the Vincents in 1954.  Hap didn’t like the guy who had lived there and wanted to make sure no undesirables would bother him again, so he began putting up a fence along the property line before Coot and Dot Little moved in.  He met Coot, figured he was an OK guy, and that fence was never completed.  The fence posts rotted away and were forgotten.

SUSIE LITTLE
Meanwhile, 5-year-old Susie noticed 7-year-old Ronnie (pictured HERE in 1958 with my cousin Chuck Knaffl).  I was sitting on a branch of a tree in the yard when they arrived.  9 years later we took a greater interest in each other and 13 years later in 1967 I married Susie while I was still in the U.S.A.F.  We lived in an 8′ by 44′ two BR house trailer in Virginia Mines, near Bessemer, for the next 4 years.  Coot borrowed money and bought the trailer and I paid him $50 a month to live there until Coot paid the trailer loan off.

In 1971, John Farris died of lung cancer leaving Evelyn a widow who lived over 15 miles from her nearest relative.  That wouldn’t do.  Susie and I needed a permanent place to live so Evelyn persuaded Hap to persuade them to move next door to her.  Then she persuaded the property owner to sell the lot so they could.  Evelyn was a very persuasive woman and wasn’t afraid to use tears to convince these men how badly she needed a male relative next door to help her.  Remember this was years before the women’s movement back when women still felt they had to have a man around to get things done.

BABY CASSIE
Doot was unfaithful to Aunt Hazel. His girlfriend had a child out of wedlock. She thought Doot was the father (although we’ll never know for sure).  And Cascilda was born into the world in 1960.  Evelyn was childless and wanted a darling little girl so she and John became Cassie’s parents.  Doot and Hazel divorced.  She married William Joseph Eckoff and moved to Hoover.  Doot married Eloise Lagrue and moved from Belview Heights to the Hollywood community between Hoover and Mountain Brook, Alabama.  Doot and Hazel’s son, David, and Hap and Doris’s son, Larry, married girls from my Hueytown High School Class of ’65.  They all still feel like they have that in common and try to keep in touch.

WHERE THEY LIVE NOW
Nat and Corene bought a farm on the Warrior River near Buddy Vines Camp and raised their kids near Oak Grove, Alabama.  Their oldest, Jim, bought a little hill top near Springville, Alabama where they now live.  Jim probably remembers the hills surrounding Warrior River where he grew up.

Larry and Carol Vincent now live near Springville, Alabama also.  Rick and Kathy now live in Montevallo.

In 1973, Susie and I built a house in Woodstock, and raised our 8 children there next door to Evelyn and Cascilda Farris.  Celia bought a large house not too far from where Doot and her baby brother Harry had lived.  She and Billie Clyde lived there the rest of their lives where Billie raised her 4 children.  Billie’s youngest daughter, Robbie, lives in Shelby County.  Reed and Wanda live in Tennessee.

Our daughter Jo Anna, married Glen Arnold from Georgia.  Susie died of colon cancer in 2003.  I married Linda who grew up in Georgia.  Now Linda and I and most of our 11 children and 31 grandchildren live in Georgia.

SUMMARY
Many of these people mentioned have long since died but their memories and influences on us linger still.  Today, those who remember them have fading memories.  To those who don’t remember them, this is just an interesting story.  Instead of saying, “That’s nice” and moving on, you should be asking yourselves, “How would my life be if those folks hadn’t done some of the things they did?  Would I even be here?  If so, would I be a member of this family?”

One last word.  If you have memories, share them.  Write them down.  If you don’t, no one else will and when you die, they’ll be lost forever.

Family Football

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Saturday, November 26th, Alabama beat Auburn 30 – 12 in the 81st Iron Bowl.  The first game was played between the University of Alabama and the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Alabama (Auburn) on February 22, 1893 in Birmingham, Alabama.  Alabama lost. They stopped competing in 1907 but resumed again in 1948.

It became known as the Iron Bowl because of the Iron and Steel industry of Birmingham.  My family has a long-standing relationship with both the Birmingham steel industry and the University of Alabama.  My brother worked at U.S. Steel.  So did my father, his brother-in-law, and several of our uncles.  And my son’s are literally crazy about Alabama football.  One of them played in the Million Dollar Band.

My oldest son graduated from the University of Alabama in Birmingham where both I and my father attended college.  It was called “the old Phillips High School” when dad went to night school there on the G.I. Bill.  His uncle Grover Vincent graduated as a civil engineer from the University of Alabama.  His cousin, Maud Kelly, went to the University of Alabama Law School.  She became the first woman to practice law in the state of Alabama and is an inductee to the Alabama Women’s Hall of Fame.

But enough about family.  We were talkin’ football here, specifically the Iron Bowl.  Alabama may have lost in 1893 but in 1894, on Thanksgiving Day, Eli Abbot ran 75 yards to score a touchdown in the second half (Roll Tide!).  Alabama won the game 18 to  0  “… because of Treetops Thompson’s blocking and Eli Abbott’s running” so says a 1948 newspaper clipping  (compliments of Ted McClellan, Thompson’s grandson).

So who exactly was A.J. Thompson, aka “Treetops”?  He was a 6’3″, 205 lb. high school dropout who went to the University on a football scholarship as an economics major.  Later, he dropped out of college to join a survey team in Oklahoma.  By 1910 he owned a blacksmith and repair shop in Lineville, Alabama.  According to his grandson, he listed furniture making among his many talents and moved the Thompson Manufacturing Co. to Fairburn, Georgia.  A.J. Thompson died in 1951 at the age of 79 and is buried in Cobb County, Georgia.

Oh!  Did I mention that A.J.’s half-brother, John N. Seay, is my sons’ great-great-grandfather?  Maybe that’s where they get their love of Alabama football.  Must be a “football” Gene in our DNA.  Ya never know?

And The Wall Came Tumblin Down

Farmer - Frances Elizabeth

When I was young my aunt sung me an old spiritual about “the wall came tumblin’ down.” That’s what happened tonight. You see, family research can become an addiction. I’ve been at this for 6 hours straight. But let me explain.

This all began 46 years ago when I was about 23 years old (yes, I’ll be 70 next year). My father’s family had been well researched for decades but no one had ever researched my mother’s family. I wanted to know more about my grandfather’s mother, Fannie Farmer.

Two aunts and an uncle had all known Frances Elizabeth Farmer. Unfortunately, no one had ever written down her parents’ names. Genealogists call that a “Brick Wall.” We love it when walls start tumblin’ down.

In 1972 Aunt Pearl told me some of Fannie’s siblings were John, Walter, and Addie. for over 40 years that’s all I knew. Then one day I discovered a record on Findagrave.com. It mentioned Fannie’s parents names.

You’d think I’d get excited but false “information” comes along all the time. Someone found something somewhere where someone put something on some website. Overnight it’s a “fact.” Try buying property on that basis.

“Where’s the property located?”
“Somewhere.”
“Who is selling it?”
“Someone.”
“Where’s proof they can sell it?”
“Oh, I have proof. I found it on the internet!”

Yeah, right. Good researchers need proof. I searched FamilySearch.org’s death records. Nothing. Tonight, I searched Census records and there it was — like getting hit in the head with a falling brick — from a tumblin’ wall — some place.

The father’s name was butchered. Of the 4 records I found, no 2 spelled his name the same way. His wife’s name was Martha. Thank goodness it’s hard to mess that up.

The 1880 Chilton County Census listed Fannie and the 3 siblings Aunt Pearl mentioned. All 4 names were there. Proof like that is a gold mine. Bricks just started tumblin’ down all over the place.

You would not BELIEVE how messed up the spelling was. Fannie’s dad’s name was spelled “Memery Farmer”, “Meaury Farmer”, and “Maueary For…” Yep that’s the letters “F”, “o”, and “r” followed by 3 dots. Try searching the net for that!

On official records, Fannie’s married name was spelled “Worren” instead of “Warren.” Her mother’s maiden name was “Culoen” instead of “Cullen”, and Fannie was buried at “Cooletan Hill.” Hahaha. That’s a riot.

The place used to be called “Carlton Hill” but the name was been changed to “Cahaba Valley” to avoid confusion with another church named Carlton Hill on Hwy 25 near Brierfield, Alabama.

My cousin Judy and I and our families have visited Cahaba Valley Church Cemetery many times. She and her daughter Rachel took photos of it last time they were there. It’s taken nearly half a century to find out who Fannie’s parents and siblings were. They’re shown this way on the 1880 Census:

Maury (or Memory) Farmer b. 1837
Martha [Cullen?] b. 1840
John Farmer b. 1861
Dora Farmer b. 1863
Walter Farmer b. 1863
Frances Farmer b. 7 Apr 1865   [date from tombstone]
Addie Farmer b. 1867
Ella Farmer b. 1868
William Farmer b. 1868
Julia Farmer b. 1877
Nannie Farmer b. 1890   [from 1920 Census]

Was Martha 50 years old when Nannie (from the 1920 Census) was born?  Did she have 2 sets of twins then died in childbirth when Nannie was born?

The 1920 Census also shows Maury (listed as “Memery”) and Ella, both with the correct birth year.  Ella’s birth year was misread by the indexer because it’s a “5” that looks a lot like a “2” or a “3”.

Maury (or Memory) Farmer told the 1920 Census taker he was a widower.  Did he outlive two wives?

There’s still some unanswered questions but this is a lot more than we knew.

When starting family research, you learn some things right away. One of them is patience. Some puzzles just take you a few years to figure out.

Paper Scraps – Little Treasures

Knuth - 1949-07-21 address

My cousin Judy has generously shared her mother’s collection of family photos. Judy took hours to scan and email them. Like me, she also loves to save scraps of paper her deceased parents left her. Going through them can be a chore, though

In an Aug. 30, 2015 email Judy said she wished she could “find new treasures.” She added, “There’s nothing like finding things you didn’t know existed.” As we discussed those scraps of paper I remembered one mother left among her things. It was the corner of an envelope postmarked Detroit, Jul. 2, 1949 with a return address for: “Mrs. J. Knuth, 501 So. West End, Detroit 17, Mich.” (see above)

When I discovered it I thought, “I’ve been looking for that!” I had an old WWII photo of dad and his pal in the Navy. He and mother had talked about this guy many times but I couldn’t recall the name. “Knuth, that’s it!” I thought the Michigan address was cool for two reasons: One, because a good friend of mine from my own military experience was from Michigan and Two because I thought Knuth was from New York.

Now I think mother took the photo in New York. Dad and Knuth both served on a ship there. I had my father’s military record. I knew he was in what he called the “Merchant Marines.” Here’s the side story.

Before the U.S. officially entered WWII we were sending military supplies to the U.K. who were desperate for our support. German submarines were locating these merchant ships and blowing them out of the water. Innocent, unarmed American civilians were dying. The Navy armed them with deck guns and assigned troops to man them. Dad was trained as a gunner’s mate and defended one of those ships.

His military record said it was the Theodoric Bland which dad had told us about many times but I forgot. On Ancestry.com there was a ship’s passenger list giving the names of both my father, a Seaman 1st Class, and a man named “John Henry Knuth,” a Gunner’s Mate 3rd Class. CLICK HERE for a scanned copy of the passenger list with Knuth’s name highlighted in blue and dad’s name highlighted in yellow.

Mother told me she went to New York to see my dad while he was there. I’m guessing she took THIS PHOTO of my dad and Knuth. Because of the passenger list I now knew Knuth’s full name. A few hours searching FindAgrave, Ancestry, FamilySearch, and Google (for obituaries), I found out more about John Knuth.

He was born in Detroit, Michigan on March 9, 1921 to George William Knuth (1880–1972) of Cleveland, OH and Augusta Amalia Griebe (1898–1980) of Michigan. All 4 of Knuth’s grandparents were born in Germany. He had at least one brother and one sister. I can’t tell who he married. His wife may still be living. Records list his deceased children but I can find no obituary on him that gives those he left behind.

Knuth moved to Florida like a lot of folks from Michigan. Records show he lived in Zephyrhills, FL in ’95 but was living at the Tendercare Health Center in Cheboygan, MI when he passed away Tuesday, January 14, 2014. Too bad nobody in my family ever tried to look the old guy up before he died. I wonder what stories he could have told us about my father. Family members have posted a nice photo of John Knuth in his Navy uniform at Ancestry.com. If you have a subscription to Ancestry, HERE’s a link.

So now we know a lot more about him than we did. We also know my mom contacted Knuth’s wife and that she wrote my mother back Jul. 2, 1949 because of that interesting little scrap of paper. Isn’t it interesting where a little scrap of paper will lead ya?